New Caledonian Giant Gecko Parthenogenesis?

[portal_reptiles]

http://www.reptilechannel.com/lizards/breeding-lizards/caledonian-giant-gecko-parthenogenesis-2.aspx

this is cool.....

[zuk450]

I wouldnt be surprised if it turned out to be true , but has this been verified scientifically yet?I remember hearing about it a while back and am curious whatever became of this "miracle"

[justanotherfroginthepond]

But there ARE males.  Everyone else who has and breeds them needs both.  What's so special about his particular one?  And are there preserved remains of the partially developed embryos that he says he's seen?  I think I'd be a lot more likely to believe it if a known parthenogenic gecko (like the mournings) had males popping up sometimes.  Don't get me wrong... it would be VERY cool if true (mainly 'cause I'd have spend half as much to get what I wanted! )

[portal_reptiles]

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But there ARE males.  Everyone else who has and breeds them needs both.  What's so special about his particular one?  And are there preserved remains of the partially developed embryos that he says he's seen?  I think I'd be a lot more likely to believe it if a known parthenogenic gecko (like the mournings) had males popping up sometimes.  Don't get me wrong... it would be VERY cool if true (mainly 'cause I'd have spend half as much to get what I wanted! )

"Favazza, a hobbyist from Macomb County, Mich., owns a pair of female Nuu Ana New Caledonian giant geckos that he said have never been with a male."

what you read that says that they were males?? their is a guy around the northwest that also had eggs from is only leachie...never had a male and had his from a baby. no chance of ever being with a male. I think the reason know one has found this is because everyone thinks their bad......even people that have a pairs toss eggs from never bred females.....know one has had a reason to keep the eggs til now....i have a young female that i will be testing this on and know of others that have them that are doing the same thing now to see if this is true.

[justanotherfroginthepond]

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But there ARE males.  Everyone else who has and breeds them needs both.  What's so special about his particular one?  And are there preserved remains of the partially developed embryos that he says he's seen?  I think I'd be a lot more likely to believe it if a known parthenogenic gecko (like the mournings) had males popping up sometimes.  Don't get me wrong... it would be VERY cool if true (mainly 'cause I'd have spend half as much to get what I wanted! )

"Favazza, a hobbyist from Macomb County, Mich., owns a pair of female Nuu Ana New Caledonian giant geckos that he said have never been with a male."

what you read that says that they were males?? their is a guy around the northwest that also had eggs from is only leachie...never had a male and had his from a baby. no chance of ever being with a male. I think the reason know one has found this is because everyone thinks their bad......even people that have a pairs toss eggs from never bred females.....know one has had a reason to keep the eggs til now....i have a young female that i will be testing this on and know of others that have them that are doing the same thing now to see if this is true.

You just read it wrong, buddy!  I didn't say HIS were males... just that there ARE males.  I understand HE has two females.  I just meant that lots of people have males (meaning that males DO exist, so why the parthogenitism?), as well.  I always thought that for true parthogenitism the eggs laid were clones of the female.  You make a really good point at the end of the post, though.  Who'd think to keep "virgin" eggs knowing their female had never bred?!? 

[portal_reptiles]

oh.....My bad. 

[portal_reptiles]

Just remembered that stick bugs females that have never bred will lay only female eggs but if bred with a male will have both. Might be the same type of thing.   

[justanotherfroginthepond]

No prob., dude!  After thinking more about it, I shouldn't find it so hard to believe.....  I mean, if frogs can fertilize their own eggs with no male around, and clown fish can change sex entirely, why shouldn't geckos get their own chance at holding the "strange stick"?