I don't get this morph thing

[Heather]

I need someone to explain reverse pin to me. as far as I can figure it means the area below the crest has like, a line? so is this it? or does it have to be on both sides of the crest or what? Also what WOULD you call her?

[monster]

very very cool...can i borrow her? 

ideally, the reverse pinning would run te entire length of the dorsal, like on a normal pinstripe. i don't see that in the photo above so i would say partial reverse pinning. lots of colors and patterning going on there. could you throw up some more photos from different angels?
i don't think that gecko is going to fit into any current morph quite perfectly, she's really unique. in my book, that's a good thing.

[samanthajane13]

Very pretty gecko!

I agree with Monster on the partial reverse pinning.

Maybe with a different picture I'd see it better, though.

[Heather]

ok, I'll do more pics when I get a chance, But for educatins sake, "reverse pin" refers to coloration on the underside or lateral side of the crest, and to be a full pin that coloration would have to continue all the way to the tail "underlining" where a Pinstripe would be? is that right? or is it also required (to be considered a reverse pin) for a secondary line of color to be present on the dorsal surface producing a full outline...and what about raised scales? necessary to be considered "pinstripe" but not for reverse pin? I know that morphs aren't a cut and dry topic, but sometimes I don't even pick up what characteristics we're trying to talk about...sometimes I don't even know what part of the gecko we're talking about. If i ever get a handle on it, i'd like to do a basic morph diagram of some kind to help other clueless people figure out how to talk about morphs better.

[Heather]

k, hold on..."pinstripe" isn't really a stripe at all it's raised scales?
Flame and cream , and brindle/tiger refer to dorsal patterning only
Harley is lateral and leg only
flame is lateral only
uh, what's a porthole?
I hope there won't be a test. Dalmation makes sense though.

[Tanina]

Crested Gecko Canada has a great morph guide. Not totally complete as new morphs seem to pop up all the time but a pretty good place to start.

Here's the link:  http://www.crestedgeckocanada.com/guide.htm   

[Tanina]

I found some information on pinstripes and reverse pinstripes on the Rapashy forums. Hope it helps a bit.

http://www.forums.repashy.com/rhacodactylus-ciliatus-discussion/9526-reverse-pinstripes.html

[Heather]

Crested Gecko Canada has a great morph guide. Not totally complete as new morphs seem to pop up all the time but a pretty good place to start.

Here's the link:  http://www.crestedgeckocanada.com/guide.htm   

Thanks Tania! ok, I'm getting it...but the reverse pin thing is still a bit of a problem for me. I liked how the areas were "highlghted" on those pictures I need one like that for reverse pin and phantom pin. also some clarification on whether or not the scales need be raised ( i think that may be the differance?) I've read that bit AC posted, i'm just still not totally getting the phantom/reverse thing...I'm going to read it again.

[jhawkk2004]

Reverse pinstripes are all about the dark coloration along the underside of the dorsal pinstripe scales. In the second link Tanina posted, there is a post talking about how full pinstripe geckos can be mislabeled as reverse pinstripes because of the dark coloration along the underside of the pinstripes. I would consider those geckos pictured as full pinstripes WITH reverse pinstripes as well. It is clear that they all have the raised dorsal pinstripe scales, but they also have the dark colored stripes underneath. If you could imagine those geckos pictured without their full raised pinstripes, you would have perfect examples of the reverse pinstripe trait. I think the bigger question here is...is it possible to have both traits? I believe so, but I guess the jury is still out as to what is generally accepted.

[Heather]

Reverse pinstripes are all about the dark coloration along the underside of the dorsal pinstripe scales. In the second link Tanina posted, there is a post talking about how full pinstripe geckos can be mislabeled as reverse pinstripes because of the dark coloration along the underside of the pinstripes. I would consider those geckos pictured as full pinstripes WITH reverse pinstripes as well. It is clear that they all have the raised dorsal pinstripe scales, but they also have the dark colored stripes underneath. If you could imagine those geckos pictured without their full raised pinstripes, you would have perfect examples of the reverse pinstripe trait. I think the bigger question here is...is it possible to have both traits? I believe so, but I guess the jury is still out as to what is generally accepted.

I'm getting it! now that i've really read and re-read i've posted that "quest" thread, and I think we're getting to the bottom of it. (thanks to you actually) I'm thinking some amount of "morph confusion" comes from not knowing which area of the geckos body we're referring to when we talk about the variouse traits.

[daniellec]

Heres a reverse pin!



Note the pinstriping is incased in a solid dark stripe running all the way down the gecko.  Any breaks in pattern would only make it a partial reverse pin.  Hope this helps!!

[Heather]

Good picture! I think I'm getting it. Would it also be considered reverse pin if the "outline" was on the Dorsal side of the pinstripe? (as opposed to the lateral side as it appears above)

[daniellec]

I don't know what you mean dorsal side.  The sides of the gecko have nothing to do with a reverse pin at all only a phantom pin which should have no major side patterning.  The reverse pin just has darker lines running with the actual pin.  Hope this helps!!

[jhawkk2004]

I don't know what you mean dorsal side.  The sides of the gecko have nothing to do with a reverse pin at all only a phantom pin which should have no major side patterning.  The reverse pin just has darker lines running with the actual pin.  Hope this helps!!

I think she was referring to having the stripes along the inside of the dorsal crests along the back...in other words, if the dorsal crests running down the back form a "wall," the reverse stripe pattern would be inside the wall (along the back) rather than just outside the wall (technically on the sides of the gecko). I don't know that this is possible, I've certainly never seen it before.

[jhawkk2004]

Check this out!!! For those of you who are still having trouble with the reverse pinstripe trait, click the link below. I found a morph guide on this website and it has a great picture of a perfect example of the reverse pinstripe (no regular pinstripe to confuse you, and no phantom pinstripe either), and a decent description as well. Hope this helps you!

http://bushwhackherps.com/crested_morphs.htm