Sexing Gargs is tough!!

[Terradas]

I own the Rhac bible and have read through it several times. I've read topics here, on Pangea and on Repashy. I still can't sex my garg!! I have pics of its bulge, but the pores/pseudo-pores aren't showing up in the pics (not that I can tell the difference). There are several rows of pores/pseudo pores but that doesn't tell me much.

Can anyone tell based on the bulge? The little guy is right between juvie and subadult.

Thanks!

[samanthajane13]

Sorry-can't help you.

I don't do gargs, and even if I did, I can't see through a loup to save my soul.

Must make an appointment with the ophthalmologist soon or I'm gonna need a dog and white cane...

[portal_reptiles]

looks like i tmight be male, can you take a pic of his underside without the glass? or a larger file pic i can play with...might be able to see with my pic program...
 

[samanthajane13]

BTW, Lance, I have a question I've been dying to ask you...
















WHY do you have a picture of my ex-husband as your avatar???

 

[portal_reptiles]

BTW, Lance, I have a question I've been dying to ask you...

WHY do you have a picture of my ex-husband as your avatar???

 

 , you like that...lol

[samanthajane13]

I'm gonna have nightmare tonight...

[Terradas]

Haha, is he venomous too?

I just have such a hard time with gargs because of the pores/pseudo-pores and even the females can be a little puffy down there and make it look like there's a bulge.

I'll see if I can get a better picture tonight. I was messing with him/her for a while last night trying to get any picture and it was squeaking and trying to bite so the little guy is probably kinda stressed. I gave it some CGD and a calm night so I can probably go back to messing with it today after work!

Eventually I want to breed these guys too, but I know the odds of accidentally buying a male like this are slim so I'm really hoping!

[samanthajane13]

"Haha, is he venomous too?"

You bet!!!

Fortunately, I'm immune.

Just call me Mongoose...

[portal_reptiles]

Haha, is he venomous too?

I just have such a hard time with gargs because of the pores/pseudo-pores and even the females can be a little puffy down there and make it look like there's a bulge.

I'll see if I can get a better picture tonight. I was messing with him/her for a while last night trying to get any picture and it was squeaking and trying to bite so the little guy is probably kinda stressed. I gave it some CGD and a calm night so I can probably go back to messing with it today after work!

Eventually I want to breed these guys too, but I know the odds of accidentally buying a male like this are slim so I'm really hoping!

if you clean the glass i might be able to tell, take a pic with the flash and without, just back light....and in high meg.

[portal_reptiles]

any luck with that pic?

[portal_reptiles]

I own the Rhac bible and have read through it several times. I've read topics here, on Pangea and on Repashy. I still can't sex my garg!! I have pics of its bulge, but the pores/pseudo-pores aren't showing up in the pics (not that I can tell the difference). There are several rows of pores/pseudo pores but that doesn't tell me much.

Can anyone tell based on the bulge? The little guy is right between juvie and subadult.

Thanks!

found a good link on sexing them...
http://www.forums.repashy.com/tutorials/11102-sexing-gargoyle-geckos-how.html#post90286

[Terradas]

FINALLY got a better pic, but it's not really that much better.

I had to turn down the brightness on my monitor to see any of the pores because of the flash on white scales.

Hard to see on camera, but I don't need a loupe to see them in person.

I think that may be the link on repashy that I was looking at. Even there I can't see any real difference between the pores and pseudo-pores!!

[Terradas]

I also broke out the scale and the little guy/gal weighs in at about 20g if that helps!

[samanthajane13]

Right from the Bible-

Page 103-

"If in doubt, look at the number of pore rows, five in males versus none or up to three rows of pseudopores in some females."

Count the rows.

Hope that helps.

[portal_reptiles]

i do see pores on the right side of the pic, do you have a loupe?

still think it could be male..still hard to tell

[Terradas]

Nope, no loupe! I've never needed one because my cresties are so easy.

This one is tough because I want it to be male, but I know how rare male gargs are. Even the breeder I bought it from as a juvie thought it was female, but that was back when it was even HARDER to tell!

[portal_reptiles]

had that happen with a red harlymale that turned out female, i traded her for a leachie, people that breed ball pythons told me that they get hi end male co-doms and cheaper females in case of problems with breeding you dont loose your hi end reptiles...so i started getting hi end males and cheaper/normal females, i have a super red striped male garg and 3 normal striped females

[Terradas]

Hmm, makes sense!

Y'know, I'm wondering if there's an easy test. Do female gargs have those calcium sacks in the roof of their mouth like female cresties??

A few people on the Repashy forum think this one is a female so now I'm back at square one!! Luckily, I don't think I'll have any trouble getting him/her to open its mouth. These guys are a lot moodier and vocal than my cresties!

[portal_reptiles]

think both sexes do, i would just wait, if it turns out to be a sex you don't want...people are always looking for a ready to breed adult....so they don't have to do the work raising it

[Terradas]

Looks like the consensus is it's a girl. At 21g there just wasn't enough of a bulge or developed pores to call it a male, which there should be at that size according to the repashy forum.

Now I gotta work on finding a male!