New crestie...morph id help

[DonandSallysZoo]

Hello,
We found this crested at our local Petco. Just curious what the morph would be considered.  I thinking Yellow flame, but not sure on that. 

[Travis590]

From the looks of things to me it looks like some sort of cremesicle.

[MF Cody]

I'm thinking more of a yellow flame.i don't see any orange to concider it a Creamsicle.

[justanotherfroginthepond]

Definitely a yellow...not sure about the flame...is the dorsal color contrasting enough to the body?  I can't quite tell from the picture.  I'm really struggling with morph ID, myself!

[firecrested]

That's a flame.

[justanotherfroginthepond]

That's a flame.

Thank-you!

[DonandSallysZoo]

That's a flame.

I've had other people say it's a chevron back and not flame.  I just got the Rhac book and to me it looks like a chevron back....all confused now

[firecrested]

That's not a chevron back.  A chevron back has chevron patterns like the Chevron gas stations, that one doesnt

[katatonia]

Yup! that's a flame.

[DonandSallysZoo]

Aren't flame geckos supposed to have patterning up the sides?

[firecrested]

No.  Flames can have little to no side patterns.

[Travis590]

Aren't flame geckos supposed to have patterning up the sides?

From what I have read and seen harleys are the ones that have lots of patterns on their sides and legs that might be what you are thinking.

[DonandSallysZoo]

Aren't flame geckos supposed to have patterning up the sides?

From what I have read and seen harleys are the ones that have lots of patterns on their sides and legs that might be what you are thinking.

Going with Rhac book by definition she's a chevron.  On page 79 there is a chevron without the "gas station type chevron" pattern.  The description again according to the Rhac book fits her as well on page 23.

Harleys do have patterning on the sides and legs, but I think it is much more than a typical flame would have. 

[firecrested]

Not really by definition.  Flame patterns refers to the patterns between the dorsal scales meaning that they do not need side patterns to be a flame.

[katatonia]

From the pics you provide the gec looks to be a flame. I see pattern in it's middorsal and head areas and this makes it a flame. And erik is correct they do not need side patterns to be a flame.

[DonandSallysZoo]

From the pics you provide the gec looks to be a flame. I see pattern in it's middorsal and head areas and this makes it a flame. And erik is correct they do not need side patterns to be a flame.

Where are you guys getting that they do not need side patterns to be a flame? 

[firecrested]

Everywhere.  There is even a morph guide on this site describing the same thing.  Just about any breeder that sells a gecko like that sells it as a flame.  Flames have always been like that, that's the basic definition of a flame, little to no side patterns.

[DonandSallysZoo]

This doesn't mesh with the Rhac book...and that is why there is some confusion. 

[firecrested]

Just call it what you want .  not sure why you asked what "morph" your crested is if you're not going to listen to people that see them all the time.

[DonandSallysZoo]

Just call it what you want .  not sure why you asked what "morph" your crested is if you're not going to listen to people that see them all the time.

We all are in titled to our own opinions, we just differ on this one    I never said that I wasn't listening, but there is many other people that have id her as chevron, all of used the Rhac book for the id.   So it's pretty apparent that there is confusion. 

 

[RhacoBoy]

Theres no "opinions" when it comes to morphs. A flame is a flame, thats all there is to it. And that gecko, is a flame.

[DonandSallysZoo]

Theres no "opinions" when it comes to morphs. A flame is a flame, thats all there is to it. And that gecko, is a flame.

A chevron-back has little to no patterning except between the crests, and the head is the same color as the body. Check out the Rhac book on page 24 for the description and 73-75 for pictures.

[firecrested]

It still needs chevron patterns or it's a flame, no way around it.  There were only 1 or 2 people that were saying chevron because they saw one that looked similar in the book.  Everyone else, flame, every breeder with a morph guide, flame.


Chevron patterns. The only way it can be a chevron

[monster]

the other key "ingrediant" to a chevron is that there should be none of the dorsal color on the crown.

even if the dorsal isn't the perfect chevron patterning (all broken up nicely), patterning on the crwon is the give-away.
for those with the book, cruse through pgs 73-75, look at the dorsals vs the crown.

this morph and the Harli morph are always a little confuseing at first so don't stress too much. there's plenty of geckos that fall in between the morph discriptions.

and for those without the rack book....

Spokes is a flame


Jane Doe is chevron

[MF Cody]

zaaaaaang. jane doe is a nice looking gecko.haha

[Travis590]

Yead I would agree Jane Doe is absolutely gorgeus. Those are great pictures of the two and seeing them like that I can now see the difference.

[crazytanak]

To clarify: All Chevrons are flames, but not all flames are chevrons.

the flame morph describes the back patterns. Harley morph describes the side patterns. Some geckos have flame and harley. It can be confusing because to me Harley patterns look like a "flame" design.

Even though books may have pictures describing different morphs, if you arent that great at it yet they can be confusing. It is best to yeild to those who are more experienced.