Hybrid tail update....

[portal_reptiles]

As some of you know one of my hybrids lost his tail.....so far it has alittle bit of regorw but not much...lp

[Salzy]

That's interesting to see Lance. Thanks for posting that. Be sure to let us know if it continues to grow out.

[katatonia]

Ditto  Can we get a before pic?

[portal_reptiles]

somewhat of a befor pic...

[smith710]

We are still kind of debating whether or not to try out making a hybrid.  We want to, and probably will, but we aren't 100% on it yet.  They would definately be for us and us only, I would never sell them. I just think they look really neat.

[portal_reptiles]

well if you do sell the, let me know, im allways looking for more..lp

[Liz]

i think hes pretty cool looking. how mnay do you have?

[portal_reptiles]

i think hes pretty cool looking. how mnay do you have?

right now i have two babies and about 6-8 eggs from my hybrid project.....hatching soon if anyone wants on the waiting list...lol

[warnersister_2000]

i want one!

[Liz]

nice how much are you goign to be selling them for? jw
is this the better looking of the 2 you have? post a picture of the other one

[smith710]

I wouldn't trust selling hybrids to people I don't know.  I don't mind 50/50 hybrids, but then ppl start making 25/75 hybrids and so on, I don't like that.  People are just doing it to make money and I don't like it.  So I would never sell my hybrids if I did decide to do it.

[portal_reptiles]

nice how much are you goign to be selling them for? jw
is this the better looking of the 2 you have? post a picture of the other one

yea, i think its the better of the two, more red/orange coloring but the other will turn the same i think...here he is..



Now on a price, i dont know...i have seen them priced around 250-300 as babies and 500 for an adult, dont think i will charge that much but will be more than a crested though....

PS i will not just sell to anyone.... Must pass an FBI background check...lol, jk Most likey i will look on different sites and forums to see if i want to sell to them.

[portal_reptiles]

I wouldn't trust selling hybrids to people I don't know.  I don't mind 50/50 hybrids, but then ppl start making 25/75 hybrids and so on, I don't like that.  People are just doing it to make money and I don't like it.  So I would never sell my hybrids if I did decide to do it.

i think if it was about the money people would just breed leachies and other high end reptiles...but i cant talk for everyone, but as for myself, i like them. People breed crested and other reptiles for money, dont you have a reptile website you sell reptiles on, so arent you making money of your breeding projects?

[KatiesCresteds]

I want one! Are you by any chance attempting a breeding of a male crestie and female chahoua instead of the other way around?

[portal_reptiles]

dont know if anyone has tryed.....but i think the female chahoua would over power the crestie, and i dont think you i would wanta breed a young one.....i know of someone TRYIN" to breed a cross of crestie and garg., if it works, im #1 on his list to get one

[warnersister_2000]

I don't mind 50/50 hybrids, but then ppl start making 25/75 hybrids and so on...

i don't see the point of that, because it loses the "cool" factor.  are they even fertile?  what sex are they?  maybe if you got a male and female 50/50 hybrid and bred them that would be interesting.

[firecrested]

i don't see the point of that, because it loses the "cool" factor.  are they even fertile?  what sex are they?  maybe if you got a male and female 50/50 hybrid and bred them that would be interesting.

I believe they are fertile.  Someone had 25% for sale on kingsnake last year that look just like a crested.

[smith710]

I wouldn't trust selling hybrids to people I don't know.  I don't mind 50/50 hybrids, but then ppl start making 25/75 hybrids and so on, I don't like that.  People are just doing it to make money and I don't like it.  So I would never sell my hybrids if I did decide to do it.

i think if it was about the money people would just breed leachies and other high end reptiles...but i cant talk for everyone, but as for myself, i like them. People breed crested and other reptiles for money, dont you have a reptile website you sell reptiles on, so arent you making money of your breeding projects?

I'm not talking about normal things, I'm talking about the people who make the 25/75's and so on, they are only doing it because it sells for a bit more, but if people keep doing this it's just going to make a ton of cross breed muts, and down the road you aren't going to know what you are getting. And yes, they are fertile, I've seen quite a few 25/75's or even lower chahoua, but thats exactl;y what I mean.  Down the road you aren't going to have a clue whether you are getting a crested, or a mixed mut, because once they breed a couple times they pretty much look like cresties again.  That is why I wouldn't sell mine, I don't want to be a part of that.

[portal_reptiles]

I wouldn't trust selling hybrids to people I don't know.  I don't mind 50/50 hybrids, but then ppl start making 25/75 hybrids and so on, I don't like that.  People are just doing it to make money and I don't like it.  So I would never sell my hybrids if I did decide to do it.

i think if it was about the money people would just breed leachies and other high end reptiles...but i cant talk for everyone, but as for myself, i like them. People breed crested and other reptiles for money, dont you have a reptile website you sell reptiles on, so arent you making money of your breeding projects?

I'm not talking about normal things, I'm talking about the people who make the 25/75's and so on, they are only doing it because it sells for a bit more, but if people keep doing this it's just going to make a ton of cross breed muts, and down the road you aren't going to know what you are getting. And yes, they are fertile, I've seen quite a few 25/75's or even lower chahoua, but thats exactl;y what I mean.  Down the road you aren't going to have a clue whether you are getting a crested, or a mixed mut, because once they breed a couple times they pretty much look like cresties again.  That is why I wouldn't sell mine, I don't want to be a part of that.

oh...you still sound like your talking about breeding for money...do you have high end crested's that sell for a bit more(red harlequin breeding group, thats high end) , and is it that why you have them..? i see what your sayin, just it the same thing why others buy high end colors and breed them....to make just alil more off them, because no one is going to sell a red harley for the price of a plain/normal one, its not always about money you know...

[Liz]

no we have our cresteds cuz we got good deals on them. Our red harley we got for $50 and thats why we have her. we havent spent more than around $100 on a crested. And we have never sold any of them even though we have alot more males than females. and we have baby's that we just can't sell. And these gigas we have 6 babys which peopel would pick up in a heart beat if they were put up for sale. We are not doing this for the money it's just for fun. So we dont have animals just to breed its just a hobby we have not made any money on any of our animals.With the hybrids they wont be for sale nor will they be bred with anything else.

on another note... The other one looks pretty cool too but that one with the tail is just a bit more better looking. Are they from the same clutch? Or same parents? Did you say you bred them? How did you incubate the eggs (like temp)? If you did lets see a pic of them 

[portal_reptiles]

on another note... The other one looks pretty cool too but that one with the tail is just a bit more better looking. Are they from the same clutch? Or same parents? Did you say you bred them? How did you incubate the eggs (like temp)? If you did lets see a pic of them 

i know, just your other made it sound like i was only doing this for money, like i said befor im not going to charge as much as others do IF i sell them. If i was doing it for money, i would have pick something worth alot more then only 300. The two i have i got for Matt at Pangea, i think they are from the same breeding group, different clutch's. I have 6-8 hybrid eggs right now for my hybrid group, im incubating them around 70-73, this has been alot harder then all my other projects to get eggs, took almost 6 months to get eggs from them..

[smith710]

I really don't know how to explain myself any better.  I wasn't saying YOU were doing it for the money.  I was just saying I wouldn't sell the 50/50 hybrids because OTHER people whould keep breeding them down and making a little more money because they have aa little chahoua in them just for the cash.  THEN down the road people are going to end up with muts, just like dogs, and not know whether they are getting a crested or a mut. Those are the people who are in it just for the money, that's why I wouldn't sell my hybrids to trust other people with. What you are doing with 50/50 hybrids is just fine, I don't like the 50/50 breed with cresteds down more and more.

[warnersister_2000]

what i meant was, are all the 50/50 hybrids one sex, or do you get both males and females?  and can you then breed 2 hybrids together (not one hybrid back to a crested or chewie)?  i wouldn't buy less than a 50/50 hybrid, and i certainly wouldn't pay more for one, that's stupid.

[smith710]

Yes, they can be breed together.

[portal_reptiles]

as of today no one has had a female 50/50, everyone is male for some reason... thats why they do a 25/75 cross, to get females

[smith710]

Ok, unless they were lying, I've heard quite a few cases of a 50/50 female.  I have definately seen alot more males, but I have definately seen females mentioned, although, like I said, they could have been lying, but what for?

[portal_reptiles]

 i have never seen one on any forums or anything, i know of a guy that had a 25/75 female.....but i did try to find one and everyone i talk to said there all males

[firecrested]

i have never seen one on any forums or anything, i know of a guy that had a 25/75 female.....but i did try to find one and everyone i talk to said there all males

That's what I have also heard

[warnersister_2000]

interesting article on wikipedia - depending on which parent species was which sex, F1 hybrid offspring can show different traits.  also, depending on how many chromosomes are present, the offspring may not possess 50% of both parents' DNA, but more of one than the other (if i read that right).  once you get past the F1 generation, the further out crossing that occurs, the more variable the species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_%28biology%29

[portal_reptiles]

i think why no females is becuase of Haldane's rule...."When in the offspring of two different animal races one sex is absent, rare, or sterile" os i wonder if thats why we havent seen females...

[cfriskney]

This is an incredibly interesting topic that spurs questions of possibility for some and disapproval frowns for others. I myself am very interested to see what can be done with the hybrids as far as color morphs and trait variations. Some people seem to talk negatively of 25/75 animals, kind of like Victor from Underworld were he describes a cross between Lyken and Vampire as an abomination. I think some incredible things can come from exploring the possibilities, and yes it threatens genetic lines of "pure bred" Cresties and Chahouas but using the dog/mutt example, some of the most recognized breeds like the St. Bernard were hybrids of Mastiffs and I don't see them as a downfall to the breed (although can carry a great deal of genetic problems mainly with eyesight). Personally a hybrid cresty that has a fully prehensile tail, the ability to regenerate their tails, or just some amazing color morphs like those on the last page of Robbie Hamper's book are very exciting. But that's just my two cents

[warnersister_2000]

dogs are all the same species so you cannot use the example

[portal_reptiles]

so it's only ok to use the mutt example in dogs, but not the other breeds that are produced from cross breeding? funny you didnt bring that up when the "mutt dogs" were used as an example....theres no way crested X chahoua can be mutt dogs.... has anyone looked into other hybrid breeds other then reptiles?....i found alot of info on liger's......they became the worlds largest cat, over 900 lbs and 12 ft long...wow

[cfriskney]

A little more on that liger example, I was watching the news a couple years back and they were discussing them, the strange thing is is that the order in which the animals are paired (mail lion X femal tiger) (Male tiger x femal lion) completetly alters what the cubs will have a features, like the liger gets huge, but I believe the other way around the ?tigron? (Kinda sounding like Napoleon Dynamite) is smaller.

[cfriskney]

Has there been a crafty name coined for the crestedxchahoua?

[portal_reptiles]

dont think so....what about crestoua...lol

[cfriskney]

"Chested Gecko"

[warnersister_2000]

so it's only ok to use the mutt example in dogs, but not the other breeds that are produced from cross breeding? funny you didnt bring that up when the "mutt dogs" were used as an example....theres no way crested X chahoua can be mutt dogs....

you're right.  how terrible of me for not making the correction sooner.  somebody spank me.

cresteds and chahouas are not breeds, they are species.  and mutts are not hybrids.  happy?

[portal_reptiles]

 ...lol.....just messin with you......would be cool if the hybrid did have a name other than hybrid, or cross tho

[portal_reptiles]

another name....ciliatoua...lol

[warnersister_2000]

 

chahiliatus

[cfriskney]

I'm for it

[portal_reptiles]

Tail update....the new growth has turned color to match the gecko, cant tell if there is any new growth.....i remember when my tokay lost her tail...it took some time to grow too.....only time will tell...lp

[portal_reptiles]

As of March...




As of May 21, 2008, alittle bit of gowth, not much but growing...

[samanthajane13]

Cool-it IS growing!!!

Got anymore pics of the little nippers???

[portal_reptiles]

Cool-it IS growing!!!

Got anymore pics of the little nippers???

yea...i do, takin tonite

[samanthajane13]

Wow-he get prettier everytime I see him...

[monster]

very interesting. thanks for the update photos.

[cfriskney]

Yeah keep us posted in the next month or two to see if there's any progress...