2 headed gargoyle gecko

[warnersister_2000]

for sale on kingsnake:

"This Gargoyle gecko is a one-in-a-million freak. It hatched out a week ago, has 4 legs, 1 tail and 2 heads.
It's eating well, gets around as well as can be expected when you have 2 heads, and is absolutely awesome!

Yours for $10.000 Or-Best-Offer including shipping in U.S.A.
Any reasonable offer considered, so try me, worst i can say is no."





link:
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=31&de=572194

this guy is crazy trying to sell it and it's only a week old, poor little thing, i wonder if it's gonna live?

[martindd23]

I think that's exactly why he's trying to sell it now... 

All I can say is "wow."

[honuman]

I think that's exactly why he's trying to sell it now... 

All I can say is "wow."

From the nature of the division it may just make it.  Hard to say but still the poor little thing needs TLC not to be turned around to the highest bidder. 

A friend of mine hatch a beardie once with one head and two full bodies.  Weirdest thing I ever saw.  It was living just fine but, unfortunately, flipped over in a water dish and could not right itself.  End of story

[portal_reptiles]

i wonder if someone did alittle to much linebreeding ...

[Salzy]

There really is no reason that it can't live. So long as all the vital organs are intact and not split, causing problems with eating or breathing, it should be fine. There are many conjoined creatures that thrive quite well. 

I watched a show in Discovery a couple weekends ago about conjoined twins and creatures with extra limbs and other abnormalities. They all lived just fine for the most part. However, there was a pig on there that had 2 heads and thus two nasal passages. However, it had an esophagus that came together into one above the trachea. The pig lived for a year and a half, but then suddenly died of a lung disease. This happened because the pig could both breathe and eat at the same time, and bits of food and water ended up in the lungs.

My point of that story is that the same thing, or similar problems could cause this little gargoyle to kack pretty early in life. It may just be living off of yolk reserves and such now, but what happens 2 or 3 weeks down the road. Some poor sap may pay 10 grand for a gecko that goes belly-up in a matter of weeks. To me it's not ethical to even sell it, much less for $10,000. I could understand the person talking about it online or wherever and taking an offer if one comes up, but actively advertising with a get-rich-quick scheme is ridiculous. I'd be ashamed of myself.

[warnersister_2000]

i wonder if someone did alittle to much linebreeding ...

it's not genetic/inheritable.

[krazymuttzpuck]

poor poor creature! i wish it the best of luck!

[samanthajane13]

Poor little thing...

Whoever is trying to sell it should be slapped...REALLY HARD!!!

I can't imagine trying to profit from that poor thing's misfortune.

That's just DISGUSTING!!!

I hope he\she will be okay...

[portal_reptiles]

i wonder if someone did alittle to much linebreeding ...

would it be a Recessive Mutation.....didn't Anthony say how inbreeding could case physical deformities???, so wouldn't this be a deformitie


http://ciliatus.com/forums/index.php/topic,2470.msg24774.html#msg24774

[sciteacher]

Basically, when conjoined babies happens, it's a case of "failed twins". Two possibilities...

1.) Two separate eggs (as in female reproductive cells... not the shelled variety) were fertilized and fused partially together early in development (the 2 would not be genetically identical such as occurs in fraternal twins).
2.) One fertilized egg began to split (which is how identical twins are created), but failed to fully separate.

Therefore, it's not hereditary in the sense that it could produce more "2 headed babies" like itself, and inbreeding even to the extreme would be unlikely to play a role. In other words, don't shell out the $10,000 with the hopes that you'll produce a line of these and earn your money back. 

Gary

[portal_reptiles]

so two heads isn't, but if it came out with a missing arm or something....then it would be right??

[BrianLorys]

so two heads isn't, but if it came out with a missing arm or something....then it would be right??

Yes, I believe that missing an arm/leg is a genetic mutation, just not something happening by chance.

[RhacoBoy]

I personally think that this guy selling this animal is wrong. The gargoyle is a week old and has two heads, the odds of it living are little to none. Whoever buys it will be wasting their money. If this animal lives to adulthood then i say sell it for a couple thousand but 10000 hah, good luck

[ColleenM]

I have heard of one guy that goes around buying animals like this and cares for them well.....but spending 10,000 for a defect thats not desirable...can we say retarded ? If the insides arent to messed up then theres prolly a good chance of it living atleast for a little bit.

[Styx]

I see this in fish all the time.  I’ve bred bettas for four years and over the years I’ve seen stuff being sold that is not at all ethical or practical or desirable.  Such a shovel heads, that is a severe deformity in the spine most breeders cull as soon as they notice, but some people try and sell them, coining them under a certain name to make some money off something that should be given away if the owner chooses not to keep it.

[warnersister_2000]

I see this in fish all the time.  I’ve bred bettas for four years and over the years I’ve seen stuff being sold that is not at all ethical or practical or desirable.  Such a shovel heads, that is a severe deformity in the spine most breeders cull as soon as they notice, but some people try and sell them, coining them under a certain name to make some money off something that should be given away if the owner chooses not to keep it.

a little off topic but do you have a picture of that compared to what they should look like?  i'm curious.

[Liz]

theres elling it cuz they know its rare enough and they think they can make a quick buck on him

[fossillady]

No buyers yet. Its still being posted every day.

[Liz]

i hope no one buys it for that much

[smith710]

That is quite amazing.... But most of the things that come out like that end up dead very soon after.  First off it's too young to go anyways.  But 10g for a deformed gecko that might be dead within the first year of it's life, not much of a gamble anybody should be willing to take. It's definately an awesome thing to see, but I personally think that you should keep it for yourself.

[cfriskney]

I myself see no problem in trying to sell a 2 headed gecko for some extended price, he most likely raised the eggs for sale and so I don't see why acquiring an incredible rarity like the one he has where he has should automatically change his mind. Especially if the gecko can go to someone who would care for it to the extent that it deserves if this guy isn't interested in keeping it for his own collection. BUT I do agree that there is a high likeliness of health problems and I feel like if this guy has any concern for his credibility as a breeder he has a responsibility to hold off and raise this rare specimen until A) he can gain a better idea as to any health related issues and B) the gecko is older than a couple weeks.

[Herpisphere]

Well the ad has been removed, but that IS just wrong to try to sell it like that. I think people who think like that shouldn't be breeding animals in the first place... pet first, profit (if any at all!) second.

[cfriskney]

I wonder what caused him to remove the ad? Sale? Death? Ridicule? Or perhaps he just developed a fancy for that little two headed guy.

[Herpisphere]

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe someone else removed it?

[monster]

the add is still up.

[Herpisphere]

When I click the link it brings me to a page that says,

"Error: This ad has expired or been removed and cannot be displayed"

[monster]

a new add has been created. the original has expried.