Chahoua vs. Leachianus

[missturpak]

A lot of you guys talk about having chahouas and leachies and I was thinking about getting one (just one!)
I've seen some pics of both but I can't really make out too many differences.
I was wondering if someone could explain to me what the differences between the two are.
I know one of them gets really big, and that one seems to me to come in a lot less colors than the other,
but I really don't remember my facts =/
someone help?

[honuman]

A lot of you guys talk about having chahouas and leachies and I was thinking about getting one (just one!)
I've seen some pics of both but I can't really make out too many differences.
I was wondering if someone could explain to me what the differences between the two are.
I know one of them gets really big, and that one seems to me to come in a lot less colors than the other,
but I really don't remember my facts =/
someone help?

Chewies are generally not as big, have longer tails and  some more colors.  Leachies are cool cuz they get big and many varieties have interesting coloration (like pink blotches) 

[BrianLorys]

and you will very easily be able to tell a where a leachie took a dump as to where a chahoua did  ....if you get a leachie you will see what i mean

[honuman]

and you will very easily be able to tell a where a leachie took a dump as to where a chahoua did  ....if you get a leachie you will see what i mean

SMELL what you mean is more like it

[missturpak]

Haha that's disgusting.
Any recommendations?

[BrianLorys]

for what? the leachie or the chahoua?

[honuman]

Haha that's disgusting.
Any recommendations?

Depends.  If ya like size and want an impressive large animal Leachie.

If you like some nice color patterns and a more "expressive" looking animal get a chewy.(leachies --and I love and have three of the-- do have a rather blank and expressionless face)

[katatonia]

The Chahoua get a total length of about 10 inches. Isle of pine chahoua get a little bigger than Mainlands. They also seem to get more pattern and color brown,green,red,pink. They can get bands of white over the end and shoulders.

I'm starting to look into Leachianus. I think most of the time you'll find the gecs that get up to 15 inches long. Some get even bigger. From what I've seen the Nuu Ana  leachianus seem to get the better color and pattern. But like I said... Starting to look into  

[missturpak]

I don't know. I guess I'll have to do some extensive research. a Pros and Cons kind of thing, if you will.
I'm so stoked though, I saw either a leachie or chahoua at a reptile show I went to in richmond nov 4th,
(Someone told me what it was but, not knowing about anything other than cresteds at the time, I forgot)
but i fell in LOVE with that guy. I loved it because it looked so fat and chunky. SO cute. and it was a beautiful
bright yellow-green and white kind of mottling. really baggy soft looking skin. bright blue eyes.
That's what I want now. I guess I gotta look around and find a guy that looks like that.
How are they behavior-wise? Can i handle them?
I have four crested babies and supposedly babies are difficult to handle, but mine are so chill they just
relax with me. I guess because I'm always around ;] not sure.
Anyway. If anyone knows of a gecko similar to that I'd be very very interested.
Hatchling or adult. Either is fine with me.
thanks loves :]
Lynn

[BrianLorys]

the yellow/green white mottling makes it sound like leachie to me maybe somebody else with more expierience with them could help you. I have personally never seen a chahoua with yellow green and white mottling...

[portal_reptiles]

i see that leachianus are going down in price, i see them everywhere for around $300, this time last year babies where over $500, chahouas are staying the same price and are harder to find right now, i have both, but i got my chahoua 1st because of the price at the time, it would be worth it to get a baby leachianus, you could always sell it when it gets too big...and make alittle money on it, some adults go for $1000 and up, all on kingsnake, alot of different locals

[BrianLorys]

you could but IMO if you cant keep an animal full grown, you shouldnt really get it in the first place. How would you know if somebody will buy it...although the animal wre talking about theres a big chance of finding it another home..

(but the size thing is really for another thread)

[missturpak]

I'm not really the kind of person who can sell an animal that I've had and grown up by myself. =/
I get attached to things really easily.
But the size thing isn't really an issue, it couldn't possibly get big enough to the point where I wouldn't want it anymore.
and I'm sure I can get an appropriate home for it.
I just want that exact gecko.
Yeah I definitely looked up some leachies and that's what I'm thinking of.
If yall know of anybody who has any babies...you know who to call ;]

[cml3.0]

you could but IMO if you cant keep an animal full grown, you shouldnt really get it in the first place. How would you know if somebody will buy it...although the animal wre talking about theres a big chance of finding it another home..

(but the size thing is really for another thread)

I don't know where you got this but OK...

If you were replying to what was said by portal_reptiles, he was simply saying that the price for an adult leachie is much greater than the initial cost of the babys, and there is a big extreme. I see nothing wrong with selling off older stock to get new blood and such. Not all the time are people selling adults because they can't house them (like the bigger snakes).

[BrianLorys]

I don't know where you got this but OK...

I got it from portal...

you could always sell it when it gets too big...

bit now that i re-read it i think that portal meant raise it from a young age and sell it for cash...but when he said "you could always sell it when it gets TOO big" i think i took it to mean like too big to home. Oh i dont know...im confused.

[honuman]

The Chahoua get a total length of about 10 inches. Isle of pine chahoua get a little bigger than Mainlands. They also seem to get more pattern and color brown,green,red,pink. They can get bands of white over the end and shoulders.

I'm starting to look into Leachianus. I think most of the time you'll find the gecs that get up to 15 inches long. Some get even bigger. From what I've seen the Nuu Ana  leachianus seem to get the better color and pattern. But like I said... Starting to look into  

Honestly I like E's Nuu ana's.  I have a trio of E's all pure.   I am anxious to start producing babies.

[honuman]

i see that leachianus are going down in price, i see them everywhere for around $300, this time last year babies where over $500, chahouas are staying the same price and are harder to find right now, i have both, but i got my chahoua 1st because of the price at the time, it would be worth it to get a baby leachianus, you could always sell it when it gets too big...and make alittle money on it, some adults go for $1000 and up, all on kingsnake, alot of different locals

Depends on what type they are selling Lance.  Some are still up there.

[honuman]

. Oh i dont know...im confused.

LOL. Brian none of them get that big.  I mean it's not like getting a sulcata tortoise or something.  You can get a nice piece of change for grown adults.  That's the drawback to breeding leachies.  You have a wait a good 2.5 to 3 years before you can even consider breeding them.

[portal_reptiles]

but yes you can get almost all the locals for 300, if you cant let me know and i can get you one, i get GT's for 300 each shipped, and thats not wholesale price or anything...

"bit now that i re-read it i think that portal meant raise it from a young age and sell it for cash" as an adult is what i was sayin'....ok sorry for the misunderstanding'   , but like missturpak said..."But the size thing isn't really an issue, it couldn't possibly get big enough to the point where I wouldn't want it anymore"

[honuman]

But the size thing isn't really an issue, it couldn't possibly get big enough to the point where I wouldn't want it anymore"

Trust me kids and know Lance will back me up on this the bigger they get the MORE you want to keep them.  They are such impressive animals.

[portal_reptiles]

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Trust me kids and know Lance will back me up on this the bigger they get the MORE you want to keep them.  They are such impressive animals.
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im finding that the bigger they are the more i want them...another breeder i know has some very large ones....they look sweet...lol, but i still like the smaller locals, GT are my fav.

[honuman]

I like the nuu ana and E's

[portal_reptiles]

i did get a ana, but have been told that they are smaller, never seen a adult one....

[Leif]

A lot of you guys talk about having chahouas and leachies and I was thinking about getting one (just one!)
I've seen some pics of both but I can't really make out too many differences.
I was wondering if someone could explain to me what the differences between the two are.
I know one of them gets really big, and that one seems to me to come in a lot less colors than the other,
but I really don't remember my facts =/
someone help?

That is a great question. Chahoua are long and slender with a lengthy tail like Ciliatus. Although the Chahoua and Ciliatus share similar tail length the Chahoua will utilize its tail more. Just handling my chahoua the tail gets wrapped up in my fingers. I notice the tail being used frequently when hunting also. The Chahoua will drop down from a low level branch and attack it’s pray while being suspended. The coloration of the Pine Isle has a lot of green, brown and red blotches. The mainland will not be as astonishing as the PI in color variance but does come with some color.

The Leachianus has a number of localities dispersed through the mainland (Grand Terre) and offshore (Pine Isle, Island E, Bayonnaise, Nu Ana and Nu Ami ) and every locality has variance in color. The nu ana/ami will have blotches of white, pink and yellow while the Isle E will have white blotches. The Grand Terre is slightly larger than the offshore local but not as vibrant with color. Leachianus is generally chunky and has a short tail. The offshore local will have a shorter snout than the mainland. These are generalizations and not specific to each comparison of local. Just to give you an idea. The most notable trait difference of the Chahoua and Leachianus is that the Leachianus is more vocal in comparison. If the animal is stressed then you will hear "barking" and the same with breeding season.

I am looking at the nu ana/ami locality and the Grand Terre. My first purchase of Leachianus will probably be a pair of GT juvies. Because of money I went with the PI Chahoua(s) first. Good luck and I hope this helps!

[missturpak]

Thanks so much, that was really helpful :]
I decided I want a Leachie, but I'm going to wait a while.
I know the exact color I want, and to keep myself from buying more than one, I think I'll wait and purchase an adult that's the color I want ;]

thanks so much everybody

[Leif]

If you don't mind me asking, which locality catches your eye?

[missturpak]

I saw an Isle E that was bright yellow-green with white blotches and blue eyes.
Thats what I want.

[Leif]

A very attractive leachie. I like the bands instead of blotches on this locality. 

[missturpak]

that is exactly what I'm talking about ;]
beautiful!

[jtmoney]

but yes you can get almost all the locals for 300, if you cant let me know and i can get you one, i get GT's for 300 each shipped, and thats not wholesale price or anything...

"bit now that i re-read it i think that portal meant raise it from a young age and sell it for cash" as an adult is what i was sayin'....ok sorry for the misunderstanding'   , but like missturpak said..."But the size thing isn't really an issue, it couldn't possibly get big enough to the point where I wouldn't want it anymore"

If your getting a specific locale for 300$ then it must be 1) Not Pure 2) Not good quality 3) Bad Condition

Getting a GT shipped for 300 is def a GT mix.  I mean pure GT's from good lines go for $750+ ... Im sorry but your not going to get a 750$ gecko for 300$ ... if this were the case then all of them would be 300$ because people would buy them and sell them for a huge profit.

There are a few reasons leachies are more expensive 1) Henk's (Island locales) take 2 years to sexual mature 2) GT's take 3 years to sexual mature 3) they do reproduce very well (I had a friend who had 50% of his eggs go bad and hes been doing this for a very long tme)

I have both leachies and chahouas and I like them both a ton but I like the leachies more.  Their size and temperment amazes me.  They just like to cling onto your hand and just hang on.  Not very flighty.  Chahoua's are more active and their colors can be amazing and the fact that they love insects is very neat.  They go to town on insects!  If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me @ carmel_runnr@hotmail.com.  I can get you any locale and your gecko will be pure and very good quality.

Lance > I didnt mean for this post to start an argument or anything just stating my opinion.

[portal_reptiles]

If your getting a specific locale for 300$ then it must be 1) Not Pure 2) Not good quality 3) Bad Condition

Getting a GT shipped for 300 is def a GT mix.  I mean pure GT's from good lines go for $750+ ... Im sorry but your not going to get a 750$ gecko for 300$ ... if this were the case then all of them would be 300$ because people would buy them and sell them for a huge profit.

Lance > I didnt mean for this post to start an argument or anything just stating my opinion.

thats fine...all of my leachies are in great quality, if you look at pictures that i have posted, you can see there in great condition....i just know people that aren't trying to rip others off by over charging the price to make a large profit, most of the breeders i deal with would rather make them affordable for all to have, and yea he did make alot of the leachie sellers mad when he was selling them for $275 each, alot of the wholesalers where trying to buy from him because they were such a great price....he only sold them collectors and breeders, that pi$$ed them off...lol

[jtmoney]

If your getting a specific locale for 300$ then it must be 1) Not Pure 2) Not good quality 3) Bad Condition

Getting a GT shipped for 300 is def a GT mix.  I mean pure GT's from good lines go for $750+ ... Im sorry but your not going to get a 750$ gecko for 300$ ... if this were the case then all of them would be 300$ because people would buy them and sell them for a huge profit.

Lance > I didnt mean for this post to start an argument or anything just stating my opinion.

thats fine...all of my leachies are in great quality, if you look at pictures that i have posted, you can see there in great condition....i just know people that aren't trying to rip others off by over charging the price to make a large profit, most of the breeders i deal with would rather make them affordable for all to have, and yea he did make alot of the leachie sellers mad when he was selling them for $275 each, alot of the wholesalers where trying to buy from him because they were such a great price....he only sold them collectors and breeders, that pi$$ed them off...lol

If you dont mind PM me and tell me who it was

I know they are good quality but its more of a pure thing to me.  An animal can look good and be mixed   I get all of my stuff from the same guy and I wont switch who I get my stuff from.

[portal_reptiles]

your the one that said  "1) Not Pure 2) Not good quality 3) Bad Condition"

.....i was trying to help someone that was looking for one (missturpak)...lol, that all,

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 If you have any questions please feel free to e-mail me @ carmel_runnr@hotmail.com.  I can get you any locale and your gecko will be pure and very good quality.

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lol...now i see, you were trying to get someone to buy yours, so thats why you were making up reason to bad mouth ,. Shouldn't bad mouth others to try to make a sale, just bad business....

[ColleenM]

he wasnt bad mouthing and i think he meant he can point you in the direction of who he gets his from. He doesnt even have any breeding right now so doubt hes trying to get a sale

[portal_reptiles]

ok...

[Leif]

WOW! 750.00 for a pure GT... point me in the right direction! lol I paid 1k for my yate which to me has the best coloration of all the GT's next to the blue river. After I pair this male up I want some island localities.

Just a side note, earlier I forgot to mention the pink blotches that some Island E will form. Just a correction.

[jtmoney]

Im not selling mine.  NO WAY.  Im not trying to make a sale at all and I dont care to buy from anyone else so Im not looking to buy from whoever you buy from.  Like I said I get all my stuff from one guy and I dont care to look elseware.  At the current moment I have:

1.1 Nuu Ami Leachianus
1.0 Super X Leachianus
0.1 GTX Leachianus
0.1 Brosse Leachianus
0.1 PI Leachianus
0.1 Nuu Ana Leachianus
1.1 Isle E Leachianus

So dont think I am trying to make a steal of a sale at all!

[refrik]

I'd advise that you check out www.giantgeckos.com.  He has pictures of lots of Leachie locales and of Chewies.  He hasn't updated his site in a while but if you email him he'll send you a list of what he has available.

[Leif]

I believe that is Phillippe's old site Check out the link. http://www.giantgeckos.net/giantgeckos-cms/